It’s Been a Slice, Folks…

Due to more pressing concerns, I will not be updating this blog or adding new content. I will also be closing the blog to comments as I no longer have the time to moderate them.

Thanks to all who have posted valuable comments on the site. I wish you all the best of luck wherever you are and whatever you’re doing.

A Woman Who Gets It…

kryptochick01 writes:

“This blog has really been an eye opener for me! It isn’t men that are douche bag perverts who simply want to use and objectify women, but it’s us. That’s depressing as one of, I suppose, the tiny percentage of decent women around. I’ve been blaming men for just being shallow and looking just for sex but maybe we have forced and driven men to treat us that way. I’ve never gotten along with girls and my best friends have always been guys and this is exactly the reason why.

I’m really pretty pissed off at other women for ruining my chance of having any future with a good guy. Women use men too I guess. For money, attention, feed their egos, whatever. Well, I’m not going to give up because just like there are at least a few really good women who are also attractive, there has to be men left with the same qualities. Both sexes have been treated like crap by each other and no one trusts anyone.

Wow. I can’t believe I’m only just now seeing this. I’m so fortunate to have found this blog! Even if it is a place for pissed off men to vent their frustrations to all the “drama queen psychotic bitches” they have had to be in any way involved with. Sucks to be me. Sucks to be you too huh? On behalf of my gender I’m sorry, and that’s not sarcasm. Girls suck and I’ve always known this since I was a little kid. So how did I miss this? huh…”

We need more women like kryptochick01 in this messed-up world of ours. Better yet, we need women like her who will spread the word about how badly their idiot sisters are behaving, and spread it far and wide. Even better still, we could all really benefit if the few good women out there would upbraid the badly-behaved women and tell them to smarten up before all men in Western countries, particularly Canada and the United States, start pulling up stakes and leaving for friendlier places. Western society is in danger of collapsing because so many women are behaving in such abysmally bad ways.

Russian Woman Meets American Woman

This video speaks the truth about how horrible women in Western countries have become. The American woman shown is a pretty good representative of virtually all of the women you’ll find on Plenty of Fish.

Real Women… or Children?

There’s been a rash of comments lately from readers who say that a lot of women on PoF seem to be interested only in men who have tattoos and a motorcycle… preferably a Harley, if at all possible. And that guys without Harleys or tats should basically get lost.

I can see why a woman would be exclusively interested in a biker guy… if she were a true-blue, for-real biker chick. But most of the women on Plenty of Fish who seem to have a desire for biker dudes aren’t true biker chicks. At most, they might have a tattoo. Or two. But ersatz biker boys and their Harleys really excite these women, and one has to ask, “What’s up with that?”

Every PoF chick's dream guy?

I have a theory about what’s causing this kind of behavior. Women who like Harleys and guys with tats and the whole biker ethic that goes with it (ersatz or not), are women who seem to feel that appearing ‘bad’ somehow makes them tough, or ‘special’ in some way, a cut above their peers.

It’s a perfectly normal human desire to want to be top dog from time to time, but women who behave this way are really just looking for a lifestyle that projects a certain image, and the more fashionable they think the image is, the better. And, of course, the whole game seems to turn upon the atavistic desire some women appear to have for criminals, thugs and other guys who appear to  be, in some inexplicable way, ‘alpha’ males even though they aren’t even remotely ‘alpha’.

The big problem in this kind of behavior is that in order to be considered worthy, a man has to have some purely superficial attributes or specific kinds of material possessions that have nothing to do with his ability to be a good mate. And more to the point, what happens when the wannabe-biker ethos suddenly becomes unfashionable? Will women ditch their biker dude boyfriends (in favor of the latest and fashionably ‘hawt’ guys) because they no longer measure up to the ephemeral, superficial kind of thinking that underpins the whole ‘biker-look’ ethic? Predicating relationships purely on fashion is a lot like predicating relationships purely on looks or some other singular attribute – it’s an exercise doomed to end in failure.

Real women don’t play stupid image games like this, where the flavor of the day trumps all… but children do.

The Future of Dating?

There was a time, however brief, when online dating actually worked. In those halcyon days, there was a good chance you could actually get a date, and even meet someone worth getting to know. Alas, no more, and PoF is solid proof.

Before online dating came in, women had to be realistic, and couldn’t afford to be too picky, else they ran the risk of going dateless. Today, online dating makes a vast range of choices available to women, and they can filter out men who don’t meet certain very narrow criteria. That is, they can filter in the top 5% of men – rich, good-looking, and tall, and ditch the rest. In addition, they can ignore or block men who respond to their profile, if they’re not up to snuff. As a result, a lot of perfectly good guys are getting shut out. It doesn’t help that the vast numbers of women on PoF doing the shutting out are of low-quality – thug lovers, tattooed from here to kingdom come, serial daters, substance abusers, single mothers looking for a meal ticket for themselves and their kids, fatties, and psychotics who wouldn’t even begin to interest the top-notch guys.

Hey ladies, this is your dating future!

The situation isn’t any better on pay sites. Women who pay a fee for use of a dating site are even more demanding, and they often see the fees they pay as an investment in landing a top-drawer guy. And sometimes they will pay just to get some attention from men if they’re really hard up.

It should come as no surprise that low-quality women can be found on pay sites, too. And because they are generally unwilling to accept imperfect men, men who join up hoping to meet a woman end up spending a lot of cash to get essentially nothing in return. This is one reason why pay dating sites are often fraudulent. Because the few real women who are using such sites generally skip over the average guys, (and the operators of pay dating sites know they do this,) fake profiles are used to entice men to sign up, and at the same time give them the false impression they might actually get something for their money. Sadly, this kind of fraud is hard to prove, and the legal systems in most Western countries are loath to address it.

You might be forgiven for thinking that dating in the real world is better. It isn’t. Consider for a moment the fact that women who join PoF and other online dating sites can also be found in the real world, along with all their negative behaviors. Indeed, many men find that their success rate in the real world is just as poor as it is on PoF or elsewhere. Unless, of course, they’re good-looking, or have got ‘game’.  To paraphrase Amy Alkon, The Advice Goddess, if you go looking for women in grocery stores, you’d better have a game that’s good enough to charm a woman even while you’re bending over a corpse at a funeral. What ever happened to the days when you could simply just be yourself and succeed with women?

Sifting through the hundreds of comments that have popped up here on Plentyoffish Sucks! several things become crystal clear. The first thing, obviously, is that online dating sucks – and it doesn’t work for men. The second is that men are getting fed up with women and the increasingly rotten treatment they get from them. Oh sure, there are alternatives – escorts, porn, onanism, celibacy, hook-ups, and PUA. But none of these are realistically sustainable. And if you’re thinking about getting into random hook-ups, you’d better have game, and you’d better be good-looking. As for Pick Up Artist (PUA) techniques, they’re just a sophisticated form of begging for sex that puts women in the driver’s seat.

Since none of the alternatives are workable in the long run, what’s next? Here’s what’s next. Men are increasingly noticing how poor their odds of success are in trying to get a date. They’re going to jettison online and traditional dating.  They’re going to turn their energies to other pursuits, or go overseas to places where women still like men. Eventually, what will follow from all this is that women, either offline or online, won’t be able to get any dates. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, “What the Hell is Wrong with Women Today?”, they’ll be relegated to living with their 999 cats or having lesbian affairs. Even if they do learn to smarten up, (and they seem to be congenitally incapable of doing so), it’ll be too late. The good news is that the fraudulent online dating sites are going to dry up in droves. The bad news is that the rare, few good women that might be out there are going to suffer terribly for their sisters’ perfidy.

It’s a piss-poor state of affairs, no doubt about it. The only people who are likely rejoicing over it are the NWO and the zero population growth freaks, who by now must be dancing with glee.

What the Hell is Wrong With Women Today?

Transister_Radio writes:

QUICK story.
I just recently saw a girl who just joined POF who I knew.
I use to work with her a few months ago.
When I worked with her, she would complain about guys making moves on her when she barely knew them and it made her sick. She proclaimed she was looking for a nice guy.

Well, she eventually meet a “nice guy” who only lasted a short while.
One day, she comes in complaining that everything is weird because he’s NOT making moves on her and she is weirded out because she’s not use to guys respecting her, so she’s weirded out by his respectful behavior.
She then states that the guy does NOT look tough since he doesn’t even have tattoos.
She then says she isn’t sure about this guy since this guy looks like he would be unable to physically fight off other guys, and she wants a guy who looks like he can beat up other guys.

I’m sitting there think : Why the hell does the guy have to be something out of UFC ?? Is she gonna enter him into fighting tornaments or something ?? Also, wasn’t she complaining about OTHER guys being pigs since they would make a move on her? Now she’s creeped out by this guy NOT making a move on her ????? And he NEEDS tattoos ? WTF !!

Anyway
she just joined POF….
and she’s still single after all these months……..
Gee…….. I wonder why ………

As Transister_Radio so cogently explains, in the last ten years or so, men have found themselves increasingly put in no-win situations in their attempts to interact with women. If a man asks a woman out, but doesn’t look like Brad Pitt, or doesn’t clearly have a lot of money, he’s a creep and will be rejected forthwith. In the most cruel way, if at all possible. But if he doesn’t stroke her ego by asking her out, he’s still a creep.

As for the UFC angle, well, the sad truth is that Western women are NOT attracted to ‘nice guys’ – you know, the stable, decent types that generally treat women well, and should make good husbands or partners. They’re attracted to thugs. Why? Well, thugs are exciting. And they look and act like alpha males, but are really only the ersatz version of the real thing.

And what a lot of women seem perenially incapable of recognizing is that thugs generally abuse women, sometimes within an inch of their lives, and do not make good long-term (or even short-term!) partners. Plus, the excitement eventually wears off and the thuggish behavior becomes a drag.

The fact that so many woman want thugs but don’t want decent, real men should tell you that women today aren’t women, but confused little girls. Very confused little girls, at that. And the fact that the woman described in Transister_Radio’s post wants a guy who will protect her – or least look like he can, really puts the lie to the feminist argument that most Western women have taken as an inviolable article of faith – that they are fully liberated, independent, and equal to men in every respect. If they really were all of those things, they wouldn’t need a man’s protection, would they?

Women have only themselves, their feminist mothers, and feminism generally to blame for the terrible conundrum their behavior has created. They demanded SNAGs (Sensitive New Age Guys) and got them. Now they don’t want them. They supported feminist laws and policies that not only emasculated, but feminized men, and now they wonder where all the alpha males went. Then they demanded that they be given more than an equal share of the university seats, and the top jobs and offices, without being expected to merit such positions, much less earn them.

And they are now starting to wonder why men are withdrawing from these arenas, and why they are no longer willing to work very hard to keep society afloat, instead preferring to sit at home with their XBox video games and a six-pack of beer. It goes without saying that men build the world. And a world without men building something for the betterment of all, is a world that is doomed. The bottom line is that matriarchal societies (and this is what our current Lord of the Flies world is heading towards) don’t do very well over the long haul, nor do they ever produce anything resembling a real civilization.

And yet, a society free of men seems to be exactly what women want – except when it suits their purposes.

But it’s not hard to see why men are withdrawing in droves. Who wants to support a society that denigrates you at every turn simply because you are a man? Who wants to support a society that sees all men as crypto-rapists or pedophiles? A society that is increasingly hostile towards men, and continually seeks ways to destroy them, lest the holy feminist liturgy be offended?

I could expound at length about how women (and society) got to this state. But that would probably take a whole book to accomplish, and this isn’t the right venue for such a thing.

The kind of women Transister_Radio describes form a very typical female demographic on Plenty of Fish, and definitely account for the majority of women there. They want their cake and to be able to eat it too, and also be unaccountable for their bad behavior, if not completely untouchable. Most men with a smidgen of intelligence would realize what kind of woman fits that behavior pattern, and probably recognize her in an earlier post I made on this blog. Yep, you guessed it, she’s the entitled princess.

And when you combine the entitled princess attitudes, the garish, ugly tattoos they sport, the piercings, the drunkenness, the slutty behaviors and all the other crap that women today engage in, another danger emerges. That danger is the very real possibility that the vast majority of Western women are soon going to find themselves not only totally un-marriageable, but un-dateable, with the end result that they will likely spend the rest of their lives either living alone, or having to settle for the dregs among men, to be used only as sperm receptacles and nothing more. In short, they will likely never know what it means to be with a man of quality. Nor will they ever learn what it means to be a real woman.

The ills I describe are not restricted to young twenty- or thirty-something women. The very same kind of feral, atavistic behaviors and attitudes are starting to become popular among women in their forties and even fifties – amongst women who seem to be old enough to know better, and who are not taking the time to lead their young sisters to better ways.

And as a forty-something male, I find even trying to date is futile. There’s too much risk, too much rejection, and there’s far too little reward for the usually huge effort that has to be expended. More to the point, is there any reason why I should prostrate myself giving a woman some ego strokes while not ever being able to expect any reciprocation on her part? And all of this is assuming I can even find a woman who doesn’t look and act like she came out of the movie Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome in the first place.

Increasingly, I’m finding that many men in my position are seriously considering expatriating to countries where they aren’t so badly treated, and the prospect of being able to find a decent partner is not a pipe dream, but a reality.

Western societies should take the impending exodus as a warning and take steps to rectify the situation. And really, they are now at a crossroads where two possibilities exist. The first is that men will rise up, revolt, and take down the established order. Or they will simply abandon a society that is too corrupt to be repaired. Societies that lose their men usually find themselves consigned to the dustbin of history, never to return.

Online dating: Great for women, sucks for men

Online dating is great for women and it sucks for guys. It seems to be a perfect fit for our consumerist society, where only the best-looking or most valuable packages get taken off the shelf.

The reason why it works so well for them is that men typically outnumber the women in online dating sites. With an oversupply of men, they can have their pick of the litter.

Indeed, any female posting a profile to an online dating site usually gets deluged with e-mails from interested men. With so many e-mails and only a finite amount of time to answer them, naturally they will screen in only the best-looking and richest men.

One man posting in an online forum said he found that for every four hundred e-mails he sends to women, he will get maybe one or two positive responses back. Not dates, just responses. One response for every four hundred e-mails? Yikes! With results like that, it’s not hard to see that his chances of actually getting a date are pretty slim.

A number of years ago, German researchers found that people have to date a minimum of thirteen people before they find a suitable long-term partner. Let’s assume the prospective suitor I mentioned earlier does get one date for every four hundred e-mails he sends. That’s four hundred times thirteen, or 5,200 e-mails to find a partner!

I can’t imagine any man having the kind of time or energy on his hands to carry out such a Herculean task.

Not surprisingly, many online dating site operators find, that with such poor odds of success, they have a hard time keeping male customers. So, in hopes of keeping the money rolling in, they send out bait profiles (profiles of women whose membership has lapsed) to men who have signed on for free trials or who have cancelled their memberships.

I personally experienced firsthand the same bait-and-switcheroo. When my match.com membership was active matches would arrive by e-mail. When I logged on to respond, I found that many of the profiles had magically disappeared!  Cancelling my membership only resulted in more e-mails promising matches and entreaties not to cancel. Recently match.com has come under fire from various quarters for engaging in such slimy business practices. As of this writing, a class-action lawsuit has been lodged against match.com; plaintiffs are seeking a refund of their membership fees on the grounds that they were defrauded.

In my travels, I have found that several basic types of women frequent online dating sites:

1. Stuck-up, snooty women who think they are God’s gift to men. With the tons of e-mail they get from hopeful suitors, they acquire both swelled heads and a wildly unrealistic opinion of their market value in the dating world. Women like this are clearly suffering from what I call ‘Princess Syndrome’. A characteristic symptom of the malady is having a stringent laundry list of ‘requirements’ and ‘standards’ few men could ever hope to meet.

2. Attention junkies.

3. Gold-diggers. No explanation needed here!

4. Professional daters who, sucked in by the endless choice online dating appears to offer, keep looking for the Bigger, Better Deal. Ad nauseam. Scratch a professional dater, and you’ll likely find someone with a serious fear of commitment lurking underneath. The type of woman mentioned in (2) above often fits into this category.

5. Teases who get off on rejecting men for sport. These women should have a big “L” branded in their foreheads – “L” for “Loser”, of course.

6. Desperate single mothers. If you ever see a profile where a woman says, “My children mean everything to me”, RUN! This is code-speak that means a woman is basically married to her children, and if you get involved with her, you’ll find that you rank dead last. Right down there with Fido, if you’re lucky.

7. Russian/ Eastern European women or women from other foreign countries where poverty and crime is rife. Probably half of these women are allied with fraudsters seeking to fleece lonely men.

8. Drunks, druggies, other assorted psychopaths.

The strange thing about the online dating sites I’ve been on is that there are few women who could be considered ugly. (Unless of course, they’re the ones who post a profile but no pic).

Confused? So am I. See points 1, 2, and 3 above for an explanation on why a good-looking woman would feel the need to resort to online dating.

Bottom line: Online dating is a bad deal for men. Guys, your money and time is better invested elsewhere.

My own Plenty Of Fish experience

A little more than four months ago, I joined plentyoffish.com (POF) in hopes of meeting someone new. My marriage had just ended and no prospect of reconciliation was on the horizon.

So I figured what the hell, why not. It’s free. So I put up a profile. Being separated, I specified that I was only looking to date and make new friendships.

I checked out the profiles of many interesting women. And e-mailed them. Ended up getting one date with someone who turned out to be incompatible. So I went back to the drawing board and e-mailed more women.

All that I have had to show for my efforts despite dozens of e-mails is a whole lot of… nothing. I upgraded the photos and edited my profile in hopes of getting more dates. Sent out more e-mails to women whose profiles looked interesting. Only to be ignored, have my e-mails read and deleted without so much as even a ‘thanks’ for showing some interest. Or worse, to be put down for even having the temerity to show any interest at all.

As if that weren’t enough, I found many women wouldn’t even look at my profile unless I had looked at theirs first or e-mailed them. As usual they would just check out my profile and move on without comment.

Plenty of Fish is interesting in that it offers users facilities other online dating sites (paid or otherwise) don’t. Things like comment forums, the ability to rate user photos, identify and comment about favourite users you’ve encountered on the site as well as maintain and publish a personal list of favourites.

All that capability seems inviting. The downside, of course is that ratings and favourites lists can quickly deteriorate into the juvenile, high-school kind of popularity contesting and exclusionism that underpins reality-TV shows like Survivor and infects North American culture generally these days. Sadly, even POF seems to have succumbed to this.

However, prospective users beware. There is an even darker side.

Earlier today started a thread in the dating experiences forum about how I was unhappy with my lack of success on the site. I noted that it seemed that a lot of women on the site were attention junkies – basically people who put up profiles for the sake of seeing how much attention they can get from men and nothing else. I also noted that this is why I was taking down my profile and ceasing use of Plenty of Fish. While women who are teases have been around forever and are nothing new, they seem to be shockingly common on POF.

My original post was filled with intemperate comments. But I felt that the ‘attention junkies’ portion of my comment was reasonable. So when I checked back later to see if anyone had responded, I discovered the thread had been deleted. No explanation, no warning, nothing.

Then I discovered that Plenty Of Fish uses volunteer moderators to patrol comment forums and basically delete any posts they don’t like. For any reason, or no reason at all. Users they don’t like or who they feel aren’t following the rules can be banned – for either a short period of time or an eternity.

So I went back in and created a similar post, this time using much milder language. That got deleted too, and a nasty message from someone whose profile name was “MsTaken”. Again, no real explanation was given for the removal of the thread. Then I was accused of being the one who was the ‘attention junkie.’

Attempts to locate MsTaken’s profile came to naught. I posted a reply to her reply to the thread. Seconds later the entire thread was deleted. Then I got an e-mail at the POF site telling me the thread was deleted ‘by the POF community’. Funny how so few people could vote to remove the thread and have it removed in so little time. Some ‘community’.

I drew the conclusion that MsTaken is likely one of the site moderators. More like ‘feminazi’, if you ask me. Among other things, one of the downsides of Plenty of Fish is that you can’t contact the moderators directly. But they can contact you. The excuse that they give you for not being accessible is that “(POF) has millions of users and we just don’t have the time to answer each and every e-mail.” But they seem to have no difficulty tracking down posts or users they feel are politically incorrect!

A cursory search on the web using “plentyoffish sucks” as a search term yielded many hits. Most of the sites I found offer comment forums where POF users can talk about the negative experiences they’ve had there. The few that I checked out were almost overwhelmingly populated by cheesed-off men. Virtually all of them complained of arbitrary and heavy-handed moderators. Some even intimated that POF moderators actually read the supposedly private e-mails that users send other users.

Many also noted how some POF users seemed to be able to post anything they liked, with no consequences. One poster even talked about how online dating is ‘good for women but bad for men’. Was his post censored? Nope. Clearly, the concepts of ‘fair comment’ and freedom of speech are alien to the owners of POF.

In short order I came to the conclusion that POF moderators tread lightly on the women who frequent the site. They are basically allowed to misbehave while men are censured heavily for having the temerity to speak up about it. Or for saying anything that could be construed as criticizing the female sex.

The reason POF panders to women this way is simple. Women as a rule do not join online dating sites unless they are free. The few who join paid sites typically expect a lot for their money and often have unrealistic demands of the men they wish to meet. Strangely enough, it’s no different on POF, which is free. The women there are just as excessively picky, perfectionistic and demanding.

Without women, there won’t be any men on the site and ergo no advertising revenues. Advertising revenues depend heavily on site traffic. That is what POF is really in the business of selling – eyeballs to advertisers.

To sum up, POF is worth about what you paid for it. And it’s sometimes said that there are some things that not even a Scotsman should take for free.

Welcome to Plentyoffish Sucks!

I created this blog because of disappointment with the online dating site plentyoffish.com. I’m looking for comments from other users who have had negative Plenty of Fish experiences. That said, I’m seeking only the following types of comments:

1. Comments about the arbitrary and heavy-handed way in which plentyoffish.com moderators delete threads or ban users.

2. Comments about negative dating experiences which have resulted from using plentyoffish.

3. Comments about the success (or lack of it) you experienced at plentyoffish.com.

NOTE:  All comments are moderated. Comment spam (i.e. trying to promote another online dating site, or some other site) will get trashed immediately.  Comments that discuss online dating sites other than POF will also get tossed. Comments that attempt to portray POF in a positive light?  Well, you don’t really need to ask for the answer to that one, do you?